After much frustration, I have now managed to post on the google group and also on the class blog(twice by mistake...does anyone know how to delete?). Despite this, because of my discomfort with blogs, I still feel like an outsider in this discussion (see my previous posting on Kajder chapter 4 & 8). Therefore, I think it appropriate to discuss Steven Krause’s “When Blogging Goes Bad: a Cautionary Tale About Blogs, Email Lists, Discussion, and Interaction.” In case someone hasn’t read it, the gist of it is that Krause asserts that, for the purposes of teaching writing, blogs are a forum for “publishing,” while email mailing lists are a means of “communication.” Krause analyzes the reasons for the failure of an “experiment” with blogs in his advanced writing class: “There was very little writing that could be described as reflective, dynamic, collaborative, or interactive...almost no exchange or conversation...it wasn’t even clear if the students were reading other posts. Individuals made their posts in an erratic and inconsistent manner, and they moved on.” (5) In his essay, Krause makes the case that despite the shortcomings in his own assignment, a good part of the reason for its failure was the decision to use blogs rather than email as a site for discussion. Along the way, he makes a series of statements, which I’d like to explore as a student of writing also attempting to use blogs for a class.
Krause purposely gives few prompts or direction as to what should go on his class blog, or how much each student should contribute. His intention is to create a space for spontaneous intellectual interaction, “where [his] students would simply just want to write.” The students’ failure to “want to write” disappoints Krause and, despite his reflection on the objective reasons and his understanding that his own lack of structure for this assignment was greatly to blame, he still feels disappointed by the fact that, when given the opportunity to write without restrictions, advanced students of writing do not use that opportunity.
Krause attributes his disappointment to the “idealistic” misconception of much writing theory, which claims that “writing teachers ought to focus on fostering and nurturing an atmosphere where...students can write not because they are being required to do so by some sort of ‘teacherly’ assignment, but because they want to write.” (5) Krause concludes that students are never going to want to write about anything without “a reason—and generally a personal reason.” (6) I will take the chance that my comment on all of this might seem self-evident or off-topic. Krause’s view of students strikes me as reductive. One basic fact which Krause neglects to mention is that posting on blogs (or anywhere, for that matter) involves a great deal of work. From his description of his class requirements, it would seem he expected students to hold this online discussion in addition to the regular work of his course. He does not seem to have incorporated this new form of writing in his own syllabus.
I think that one of the dangers of incorporating computer technology into our teaching is that, often, it is added to the traditional print work, not instead of some of the other class requirements. Because some people often spend a great deal of time on their computers doing personal tasks (emailing, blogging, surfing, etc.), it is easy to equate these online writing forums to relaxed, stress-free activities, when, in fact, the personal tasks to which people devote their time are recreational. It is the nature of the task, not the medium, which promotes free and, often, exploratory communication, such as that which Krause hoped for. In reality, students are aware that they are students when they are doing any communication for a class (blogs, email, or paper and pencil). There might not be any forum in which students can feel that class-related work is recreational. In contrast with Krause’s implications, I do not think this means that student writers do not become truly interested, even invested, in what they write. This does not mean that students will not reflect and discuss on paper or online in the way Krause envisioned. It does mean, however, that students are aware that there is a teacher expectation—the proof is in Krause’s disappointment, which was great enough to write about in an article, stating that he had hoped that his students would take the opportunity to write without being obligated because they were “grown-ups.” (5) It is hard to think of more condemning judgment than that.
Perhaps Krause has a point when he argues that “email posts to mailing lists are drafts or works in progress, and more often than not, they demand a literal response....and that [b]log posts are more finished...and while readers might ‘respond’ in some sort of metaphoric way, they are not as likely to write a direct response to the writer.” (9) In fact, if we can forget my inability with blogs, I have posted single, non-conversational texts this week myself, just as Krause suggests this medium encourages. So, Krause’s theory might hold some truth. However, I think his analysis of the failure of this technology in the classroom leaves out something that all teachers need to consider when incorporating technology into their teaching: class work is just that, work for a class. It can lead to rich and fruitful dialogue and reflection, but students will (and should) always be aware that it has standards by which to abide.
In her chapter on “Creating Community,” when discussing online discussion, precisely what Krause wanted his students to engage in, Kajder talks about the “clear dividing line between [her] professional and personal worlds,” and how she expects, and takes measures to ensure, the same from her students. I think teachers need to hold the same understanding when thinking of the purposes for class writing in contrast with those for personal writing. I believe the reason for the failure of Krause’s experiment lies in the fact that he believed the technology he was incorporating (blogs) would change the nature of the work the students were doing—so that they would “simply just want to write.” Because they were graduate students, and adults, he seemed to expect them to write as if his were not a class, a graduation requirement, one that they probably took concurrently with others, perhaps in addition to working and/or taking care of their families. The fact is that there are concrete reasons why his students weren’t going to want to “‘just want to write’ in a blog space (or anywhere else, for that matter, just because they were given the opportunity.” (5-6)
When referring to high school students, Kajder makes a very important point in relation to the use of online discussion tools: “It’s [giving an assignment] only different online insofar as it asks us to think and respond in a different medium... [i]t’s easy for the teachers to think that the technology itself will lead students to high-level thinking. Not true.” (103) Kajder’s point on higher level thinking in high school students, applies to Krause’s situation in that the medium will not change the fact that the discussion is part of a class, to be read by members or that class, including a professor.
At the time of writing his text, Krause planned to use blogs in a graduate class the following semester, hoping that the students would “come to see their class blog space as a useful research and prewriting tool.” I hope he was successful, but I can’t help but think that, again, he was overlooking the fact that posting writing on a blog, would not make it any less of a required assignment. As a graduate student, I would, personally, not present all of my prewriting and research writing for class or instructor reading. Instead, I would consider the expectation to post on a blog another class assignment, in addition, to my research and authentic prewriting work (to be re-worked over and over again before posting), making the blog an added assignment in my eyes.
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Interesting post. Do you think we all approach writing from an idealistic perspective though; hoping that are students will be both self-motivated by the interesting writing prompt or greatly enthusiastic after the experience? Or maybe not even, maybe just simply willing to participate in it? I think the major failure is the pressure behind the assignment. I feel it myself. In many of my classes that have required online discussions, I've approached the discussions negatively, dragging my feet because I have to do it instead of wanting to do it. I like the idea that the professor who spoke in class brought up about lessening the weight of the assignment to simply give the students the experience of participating. I also like wikis better that blogging because I think they are more interactive and can better stimulate students because of all the options they include. Unlike blogging that mainly focuses on writing.
I can attest to Ali being wikid good at wikis. She helped me so much in class last week. Ana, I too, found your post very interesting comparing Krause and Kajder. I particularly liked your comment about writing when you say "it is the nature of the task,not the medium,which promotes free and often exploratory communication." You write a strong, persuasive argument.
Firstly this was a fantastic posting by Ana. One wonders where you can schedule the time for it. Like you said Ana why should Krause have been surprised that he got an unsatisfactory response to his exercise with blogs. Working students have a very limited time to do classwork, and have to allocate their time accordingly. Blogging entries take more time than the blogmaster might think and even graduate students are looking at the cost/benefit analysis of making entries that may get ignored or never responded to. There is an attitude of “Why Bother” as students feel they are talking to themselves and there is no learning going on whatsoever. To me blogs only work when everyone is intensely interested in the subject matter, but if you think that you can spark interest in some of the drier litetature by using blogs, you will probably have to readjust your thinking. I also find blogs less user friendly than wikis. Ali mentions that blogging mainly focuses on writing, and students will see this very fast, and resist the subtle attempt to make them write more than they usually do.
Just like Ana I don’t know how to delete or edit my blog entries on Ellie's site and I find this tremendously frustrating. Ana mentions very smartly that:
“I think that one of the dangers of incorporating computer technology into our teaching is that, often, it is added to the traditional print work, not instead of some of the other class requirements. Because some people often spend a great deal of time on their computers doing personal tasks (emailing, blogging, surfing, etc.), it is easy to equate these online writing forums to relaxed, stress-free activities, when, in fact, the personal tasks to which people devote their time are recreational”.
She has made a very important point about the distinction between the time spent on frivolous activities, and the time spent on schoolwork. Teacher/Professors should not assume that because kids are online that they are learning something useful. Online schoolwork does not reduce the time that a student will spend on his/her homework. This is one of the biggest misconceptions of teachers. Assigning too much work by sneaking in a lot of online work usually ends up with students having disrespect for their teacher because the carrot has been abused and overused.
Blogs are a genre like any other, and people don't just start to write in a genre (particularly in a class context), they have to learn about it. The first time I used blogs for a class, I did what Krause did--set one up, showed it to my students, and thought they'd find it interesting enough to use. They didn't. When I taught them as a genre of personal writing (though they're used for many other purposes as well), we worked with them the same way as other genres like memoirs--reading them, analyzing them, deciding what made examples of the genre effective, and writing them. Moving back and forth between learning what others have done with a genre and trying it out oneself seems to be a good recursive sequence with any genre.
But my first attempt helped to think it through for the second time.
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